COST Action IS0902: Systemic Risks, Financial Crises and Credit
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Permalink Reply by Manuel Wäckerle on June 13, 2011 at 2:02pm thank you very much Dirk for starting a discussion on QE with such a great post!
I have a corresponding question regarding this issue:
Isn't it even more problematic that the FED will introduce QE3 (expanding the reserves again) and at the same is holding the greatest extent of US debt now, instead of China? What about the currency and international trade in this respect? Consequences must be tremendous to the US economy or is there any fiscal way out?
best wishes,
manuel
Permalink Reply by Dirk Bezemer on June 16, 2011 at 9:28am Hi Manuel,
QE2 was probably behind the commodity price spike but did little (nothing?) to increase transactions in the real economy of profit and wages. Indeed QE3 will be equally ineffective and equally adding to instability in commodity and (generally) asset markets.
However, the problem is not the US fiscal or debt or trade position. Any $ debts the US has it can service (in principle) by just creating the dollars. There is no need for fiscal measures in order to do that. And the US $ rate is set more by investor sentiments on the money markets than by QE. The amount of $ sloshing around the world is vastly larger than the 600 bn created in QE2. As long as demand for dollars remains strong e.g. because investors see the US as a safe heaven the exchange rate won't suffer.
This is different from the UK, where QE in 2009-2010 had a marked effet on the exchange rate.
It is also different from Euroland, which will not engage in QE because it believes debt is bad. That is also the reason Euroland - the ECB that is - will not take on the debts of governments, although historically that is the very raison d'etre of central banks. Euroland prefers to deflate its economies rather than deflate the financial sector.
The US debt (e.g. the treasuries held by China) is already so large they cannot repay it and we all know it. Repayment is not the purpose of US debt. The US emitting debt provides the world with the liquidity to conduct their transactions which, after all, are denominated in dollars. Remember, after Bretton Woods (post 1973, that is), we have a dollar-standard world financial system but without any constraint on dollar creation (under Bretton Woods, the constraint was parity to gold). So in order to supply the world econonomy with money ($), the US HAS to be in deficit and accumulate debt. That's the way it was set up.
Of course, ultimately this is a Ponzi game as it must, with mathematical certainty, end. But the problem is not QE or other single debt spree the US has gone on. The problem is systematic. It has worked, in a way, for nearly 40 years, but it won't for another 40. And it has cost us very dearly in terms of crises and productivity loss.
The least of the problems is debt held by the Fed - that is debt the Fed holds against itself. It can be written off with the stroke of a pen, without affecting anyone else's balance sheets.
best wishes,
Dirk
Permalink Reply by Neil Lancastle on September 13, 2011 at 4:50pm
Dirk,
I agree broadly with your analysis, but not your conclusion that it can continue indefinitely. The US dollar has been declining as a reserve currency, particularly among emerging and developing countries. Obama has finally recognised that he needs to grow the economy out of recession. The recent credit downgrade will push up the cost of borrowing and weaken the dollar, exacerbating the trend.
What about Europe? Despite Eurozone GDP being almost as high as the US, the Euro has failed to make an impact as a reserve currency. Data from the IMF shows the Euro at about 15% of official reserves, compared to about 50% for the US dollar, yet the economies are a similar size. The central banks of developed countries are behind the curve in diversifying from the US dollar.
Neil
Permalink Reply by Dirk Bezemer on September 14, 2011 at 9:36am Neil, thanks for engaging. Of course, in the real world nothin continues indefinetely. If others lose trust in the Dollar, that's the end. My point was that the US can always repay its debt, contrary to what the 'deficit terrorists' claim. The real question is - will others still want to accept it?
There is a simple reason why the Euro is not a major reserve currency: Euroland is in surplus. The country that emits reserves into the world economy does so by running a deficit. Euroland doesn't do that so cannot grow into being the major reserve supplier. Trade and finance are linked.
best wishes,
Dirk
Neil Lancastle said:
Dirk,
I agree broadly with your analysis, but not your conclusion that it can continue indefinitely. The US dollar has been declining as a reserve currency, particularly among emerging and developing countries. Obama has finally recognised that he needs to grow the economy out of recession. The recent credit downgrade will push up the cost of borrowing and weaken the dollar, exacerbating the trend.
What about Europe? Despite Eurozone GDP being almost as high as the US, the Euro has failed to make an impact as a reserve currency. Data from the IMF shows the Euro at about 15% of official reserves, compared to about 50% for the US dollar, yet the economies are a similar size. The central banks of developed countries are behind the curve in diversifying from the US dollar.
Neil
Permalink Reply by Neil Lancastle on September 14, 2011 at 11:39am
Dirk,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, Euroland is in surplus but other central banks can still buy Euroland debt as a reserve holding. Central banks do not have to buy US Treasuries. They can let their currencies appreciate, rather than sterilise US trade receipts. They can divert surplus reserves into other currencies and asset classes through sovereign wealth funds.
Euroland, on average, has a debt to GDP ratio of 80% compared with 100% in the US. Yet Euroland has much higher tax rates, at about 40%, so in theory could afford higher public investment.
Neil
Permalink Reply by Dirk Bezemer on September 15, 2011 at 8:57am What would the other central banks pay with, when they buy Euroland debt?
Dirk
Neil Lancastle said:
Dirk,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, Euroland is in surplus but other central banks can still buy Euroland debt as a reserve holding. Central banks do not have to buy US Treasuries. They can let their currencies appreciate, rather than sterilise US trade receipts. They can divert surplus reserves into other currencies and asset classes through sovereign wealth funds.
Euroland, on average, has a debt to GDP ratio of 80% compared with 100% in the US. Yet Euroland has much higher tax rates, at about 40%, so in theory could afford higher public investment.
Neil
Permalink Reply by Neil Lancastle on September 15, 2011 at 11:15am
Hi Dirk,
That's a good question. If they sold US Treasuries to buy Euroland debt, then the US would reduce it's external liabilities and that would hurt developing and emerging markets who also hold US Treasuries. Since the Fed has signalled further buying of US Treasuries (QE3), an alternative might be for the Fed and ECB to agree a Euro-USD swap line. Then excess liquidity flows to Europe rather than create inflationary pressures in developing and emerging economies.
That requires Europe to accept greater fiscal union and a public-spending stimulus. In the long-run, both currencies weaken but the gains are public and not private.
Neil
Permalink Reply by Dirk Bezemer on September 15, 2011 at 11:33am We were exploring what it means to have Euros as a reserve currency. My point was that one of the thing it means is that Euroland must run a deficit. Otherwise no one can acquire the Euros that are supposed to become the 'money of the world'.
To suggest that without the Eurozone emitting Euroes (=be in deficit), Eurodebt can still be sold aginast US liabilties is not an option when the Euro is a reserve currency. Why would the sellers of Euroland debt accept US treasuries any more than they would be willing to accept Norwegian treasuries? Why would Euope want excess US liquidity to flow into it unless the $ is stil a useful reserve currency?
The only reason they accept it now is because the $ is the global reserve currency. With the Euro replacing the $, that motive for holding US debt vanishes.
So we're back to square one: Euroland must run a deficit in roder to give the rest of the world the money to conduct global transactions with.
Permalink Reply by Neil Lancastle on September 15, 2011 at 1:32pm
Hi Dirk,
I agree with you that Euroland could run a greater deficit. This would boost the economy and stimulate global demand. The same is true of public spending in many emerging and developing countries. I disagree that this requires a net surplus, though. There can be a net surplus if private sector inflows exceed public sector outflows, and most governments run a deficit.
But why should increasing global liquidity be via private banks in the US (and UK)? Stiglitz, and a few others, have criticised QE for 'creating havoc around the world' because the resulting capital flows are from developed to developing countries. If we took a post-Keynesian perspective, the Fed would buy US Treasury bills and sell SDRs. Those SDR IOUs would be perfectly acceptable collateral for global US banks.
If the Fed offer a swap line to other central banks, the result is not unlike that post-Keynesian ideal. The composition of the swap basket is determined by central banks that want to sell US Treasury bills. Increasing global liquidity becomes a public good, not a private one, and countries can choose to partake or not depending whether they want a fiscal stimulus. The US can pursue domestic macroeconomic policies without fear of contagion, and the central banks (eg: China) get to swap US T bills for more stable SDRs/currency baskets without private sector arbitrage.
Am I just being a utopian post-Keynesian? I would welcome your comments.
Neil
Permalink Reply by Dirk Bezemer on September 15, 2011 at 9:21pm I meant a TRADE deficit not a budget deficit - sorry to be so imprecise. Euroland running a trade deficit means Euros are emitted into the rest of the world (RoW) as it buys goods from Euroland. Running a budget deficit would stimulate Euroland bit would still leave the question of how those Euros get into the hands of others - not, if RoW buys more rather than less from a budget-stimulated Euroland.
This need for RoW purchasing power in your own currency was precisely the reason the US came up with the Marshall Plan. It lent dollars to Europe and recycled them back into the US by exporting, rebuilding Europe and capturing Europe's markets in the process. With European markets matured, the process was repeated globally. The reversal was in the 1970 when America went off gold, turned net importer and lost the need to recycle what it could now freely create.
Please explain your idea. Why would the Fed buy Tbills which it (well, the Treasury) can emit at no cost? Why would banks hold SDRs - how do we know they are less risky or higher returns than bills?
Neil Lancastle said:
Hi Dirk,
I agree with you that Euroland could run a greater deficit. This would boost the economy and stimulate global demand. The same is true of public spending in many emerging and developing countries. I disagree that this requires a net surplus, though. There can be a net surplus if private sector inflows exceed public sector outflows, and most governments run a deficit.
But why should increasing global liquidity be via private banks in the US (and UK)? Stiglitz, and a few others, have criticised QE for 'creating havoc around the world' because the resulting capital flows are from developed to developing countries. If we took a post-Keynesian perspective, the Fed would buy US Treasury bills and sell SDRs. Those SDR IOUs would be perfectly acceptable collateral for global US banks.
If the Fed offer a swap line to other central banks, the result is not unlike that post-Keynesian ideal. The composition of the swap basket is determined by central banks that want to sell US Treasury bills. Increasing global liquidity becomes a public good, not a private one, and countries can choose to partake or not depending whether they want a fiscal stimulus. The US can pursue domestic macroeconomic policies without fear of contagion, and the central banks (eg: China) get to swap US T bills for more stable SDRs/currency baskets without private sector arbitrage.
Am I just being a utopian post-Keynesian? I would welcome your comments.
Neil
Permalink Reply by Neil Lancastle on September 16, 2011 at 1:00pm
Hi Dirk,
The incentive for central banks is that they can co-ordinate monetary policy globally.
If the Fed emits currency baskets in return for T Bills, it has T Bill reserves that it can use for domestic monetary easing.
Other countries have two incentives to participate. They might seek monetary expansion, such as Europe adding Euros to the basket. Or they might seek monetary contraction, such as China adding US dollars to the basket. So each basket would be different, and domestic central banks would underwrite their part of the basket (not the Fed).
Keynes was adamant that SDRs should not be publicly traded, but you can assume a shadow market would be created and why shouldn't a currency basket be better collateral, with several central banks behind it? Most central banks accept other forms of collateral these days, so why not accept private debt that matches your assets?
It is utopian, not least because central banks would no longer be able to take unilateral action. It was interesting yesterday, though, that China said they would buy European debt, the ECB wanted T Bills that China has in surplus, yet co-ordinated action was between Europe, the UK and US. How is that stabilising?
Best,
Neil
Permalink Reply by Neil Lancastle on September 16, 2011 at 2:23pm
Hi Dirk,
You are right, it seems flawed. The US (or any country wanting to loosen monetary policy) would need to underwite the SDRs they issue. There is no incentive for a weak currency to do that. Like you, I am troubled by the notion of QE3: it props up the banks but at what cost?
Neil
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